center finding
- Thread starter rroie
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I bought this one:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-3AXIS-...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
I have it powered with a small plug in power supply. I would like to use it connected to Masso using the probing routine.
Thank You
Roie
https://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-3AXIS-...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
I have it powered with a small plug in power supply. I would like to use it connected to Masso using the probing routine.
Thank You
Roie
breezy
Moderator
Roie,
I have installed the Drewtronic on the Men's Shed router and if have a look at Spindle start up with Drewtronics connected, you will find drawings how I did it.
Also a quick search of the forum for Drewtronics turned up 14 results that you could've looked at to find how to connect a Drewtronic to MASSO.
Regards,
Arie.
I have installed the Drewtronic on the Men's Shed router and if have a look at Spindle start up with Drewtronics connected, you will find drawings how I did it.
Also a quick search of the forum for Drewtronics turned up 14 results that you could've looked at to find how to connect a Drewtronic to MASSO.
Regards,
Arie.
It never thought to search by brand name. I just happened to run across Drewtronics on ebay and bought one. I looked at your links and understood about half of it. I will take a look at the
Masso and CNC today see if I can figure it out. I ordered a:
This I understand. I want to accurately find the center of a block of wood for two sided machining.
Thank You
Roie
Masso and CNC today see if I can figure it out. I ordered a:
Haimer 80.360.00NG New Generation 3D-Sensor
This I understand. I want to accurately find the center of a block of wood for two sided machining.
Thank You
Roie
breezy
Moderator
Roie,
I was trying to prevent MASSO from starting the spindle while the Drewtronics was in the spindle, the reason for this was I had just watched a Youtube video by NYC CNC where they destroyed a Haimer probe (spun it to pieces) because the spindle started up.
The drawing isn't easy to follow, but put simply the power supply plug for the Drewtronics controls a relay that isolates the CW signal to VFD when the Drewtronics is in the spindle and set to probe.
Regards,
Arie.
@breezy @rroie
I watched the Video Arie and boy did it make me cringe when it spun up. Interesting what is inside the dial and how it works.
I did a mockup of the drewtronics probe to test various resistors with the current under 5ma as per their documentation. Select resistor R1 based on the Masso PSU to get the brightest LED indication.
Hope this helps
Cheers Peter
I watched the Video Arie and boy did it make me cringe when it spun up. Interesting what is inside the dial and how it works.
I did a mockup of the drewtronics probe to test various resistors with the current under 5ma as per their documentation. Select resistor R1 based on the Masso PSU to get the brightest LED indication.
Hope this helps
Cheers Peter
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Wired up probe as per Peters post. Try Breezy's after I get it working right. Manually it lights up when I touch the edge. I can use it to find dimension divide by two and set zero. When I try to do it in the probe dialogue box I get a probe error and have to re-home the machine. But then I do not know exactly which icon to click on to find the center. I have used the probe routine to find the corner and z zero before. It has been a while back do not remember what I was using but I used Peters YouTube probing to set it up.
Thank You
Roie
Thank You
Roie
breezy
Moderator
Roie,
Have you set the probe input so it goes high when the probe is activated?
When I forget to connect the probe, the input is high and I get a probe error, but plugging it in and exiting / reentering the probing routine clears the error alarm.
The probing routine can find the centre of a pocket, that is the icon on it's own to the left. Otherwise finding the "outside" centre you have to do it manually, as you have described.
Regards,
Arie.
Have you set the probe input so it goes high when the probe is activated?
When I forget to connect the probe, the input is high and I get a probe error, but plugging it in and exiting / reentering the probing routine clears the error alarm.
The probing routine can find the centre of a pocket, that is the icon on it's own to the left. Otherwise finding the "outside" centre you have to do it manually, as you have described.
Regards,
Arie.
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Well my probing routine still does not work. It will move to the edge but as soon as it touches I get probing error. Do not know what I have done wrong outside of maybe using the wrong size resistor. Do not remember what it tested at. I have to get moving on some projects I have unfinished so it will have to wait. When it touches the little blue light comes on and the setting goes from low to high. When I unplug the probe it goes to high. If I stay out of the probing dialogue box I can use the probe to find center by zeroing on one edge jogging to other and dividing by two.
My "Haimer 80.362.00 Short Probe, 4 mm Tip Diameter" should be here Friday and will give that a try. If any one has any other ideas I will try them tomorrow or the next day.
Thank You
Roie
My "Haimer 80.362.00 Short Probe, 4 mm Tip Diameter" should be here Friday and will give that a try. If any one has any other ideas I will try them tomorrow or the next day.
Thank You
Roie
testyourdesign
testyourdesign
@rroie
I have a Heimer 3D Taster as well. The Haimer is a mechanical edge finder that allows you to locate an edge manually. It will not work with the Masso probing menu. To locate the edge with a Haimer 3d Taster you simply move the probe toward the part until it just makes contact with the part. After the initial contact, you adjust the MPG to the lowest increment and slowly move until the Haimer shows it to be zero. At that point, you know the spindle is directly centered on that edge. That's when you press the corresponding DRO button to set a temporary work offset to zero on that edge. Once you have set the zero for X & Y direction you need to use the MDI screen to manually position the spindle over the center of the part. The process is a little slower than automatically probing with an electronic probe but very effective just the same. Just remember to take your time and plan each move carefully as the Haimer tips are very easy to damage and very expensive to replace.
@arie and @cncnutz have provided very good instructions on how to connect the Drewtronics probe to the Masso controller but small details or differences in your setup can cause issues like what you saw. I understand that using a tool touch-off plate in combination with the probe has caused confusion for some users wiring the probe to the wrong input or using the wrong settings in Masso. They can help you troubleshoot this issue when you have more free time. The Drewtronics probe is a great piece of kit that is very useful for the machining operations and setups you are trying to accomplish.
Cheers, Stephen Brown
I have a Heimer 3D Taster as well. The Haimer is a mechanical edge finder that allows you to locate an edge manually. It will not work with the Masso probing menu. To locate the edge with a Haimer 3d Taster you simply move the probe toward the part until it just makes contact with the part. After the initial contact, you adjust the MPG to the lowest increment and slowly move until the Haimer shows it to be zero. At that point, you know the spindle is directly centered on that edge. That's when you press the corresponding DRO button to set a temporary work offset to zero on that edge. Once you have set the zero for X & Y direction you need to use the MDI screen to manually position the spindle over the center of the part. The process is a little slower than automatically probing with an electronic probe but very effective just the same. Just remember to take your time and plan each move carefully as the Haimer tips are very easy to damage and very expensive to replace.
@arie and @cncnutz have provided very good instructions on how to connect the Drewtronics probe to the Masso controller but small details or differences in your setup can cause issues like what you saw. I understand that using a tool touch-off plate in combination with the probe has caused confusion for some users wiring the probe to the wrong input or using the wrong settings in Masso. They can help you troubleshoot this issue when you have more free time. The Drewtronics probe is a great piece of kit that is very useful for the machining operations and setups you are trying to accomplish.
Cheers, Stephen Brown
breezy
Moderator
Roie & Stephen,
When using the Drewtronic with a tool touch-off plate or Auto Tool Zero you need to connect a "earth" lead to the Drewtronic tip as it is insulated from the body of the Drewtronic.
What I did was obtain a inline female socket for the Drewtronics power plug and connect a length of wire with croc clip on the end, to the -ve pin on the socket.
When I want to change in the Drewtronic, I issue T0 M6 in MDI, swap in the probe and instead of plugging the power into the Drewtronic, I connect the wire to the power plug and clip to the probe tip and complete the tool change routine with ATZ. Upon completion of the ATZ, I then plug the power plug into the probe and continue with the probing routine.
It's a bit fiddly but it works, until MASSO removes the ATZ from the tool change routine for probes.
Regards,
Arie.
When using the Drewtronic with a tool touch-off plate or Auto Tool Zero you need to connect a "earth" lead to the Drewtronic tip as it is insulated from the body of the Drewtronic.
What I did was obtain a inline female socket for the Drewtronics power plug and connect a length of wire with croc clip on the end, to the -ve pin on the socket.
When I want to change in the Drewtronic, I issue T0 M6 in MDI, swap in the probe and instead of plugging the power into the Drewtronic, I connect the wire to the power plug and clip to the probe tip and complete the tool change routine with ATZ. Upon completion of the ATZ, I then plug the power plug into the probe and continue with the probing routine.
It's a bit fiddly but it works, until MASSO removes the ATZ from the tool change routine for probes.
Regards,
Arie.
Thank you everyone for the support. I ruined one bowl so still have two too finish for my friend who is going to the main land next week. Will revisit this when the rush is over and I can devote all my time to the probe issue. I do not understand all that has been offered but will try and sort it all out this coming week.
Thank You
Roie
Thank You
Roie