Hello From Melbourne, Vic.
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diegocolonnello
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I would like to know who else has a Masso here in Melbourne, i am planing to ad ATC and more axis to the machine.....
Shellby429
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Hi Diego
I have just made my first cuts on a home built router today. I’m in regional Vic, Shepparton.
I am doing an ATC which I haven’t setup yet. Did you ever get yours completed?
Here is my project. It’s still got a bit to go but well on the way. Sorry I had a short video but doesn’t look like I can upload a video.
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That looks to be a very rigid design. Are the main beams rectangular aluminum tube? If yes, what wall thickness did you decide to use? I appreciate as well the organization of your electronics enclosure.
I didn't build my CNC, but like you all the rest (electronics, pneumatics, etc,...). I believe we are using the same ATC spindle - is yours from Jianken? I have an 80 mm 2.2Kw model. I just redesigned my tool rack set up to accommodate more ISO20 holders. I think you will really like the end result, and with the Masso controller the configuration was quite straightforward.
Shellby429
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Yes similar spindle. Jeinken 3.2kw 100mm with the BT30 tool holders.
My gantry is aluminium. It’s 175x70mm. It’s a strong profile. See photo below of the section.
I’d be keen to see more of your ATC setup, design and automation. I was looking at the logic today and noticed that Masso only have 1 input for the clamp sensor (Jeinken has 2) and that masso doesn’t accommodate for the “air seal”. It also has air on the clamp the whole time where Jeinken recommends for 3-5 seconds only.
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I have not seen an extrusion like that before - thank you for providing the photograph.
I will need to check my notes as it has been a while since I completed my build, but will try to answer some of your questions now based on my memory.
I am using the type 2 logic, which provides inputs for both the clamp and tool in place states.
For the air seal, I have this set up using an alarm relay from my VFD. I have it programmed to switch based on whether the spindle is spinning or not. When the spindle runs the 'air seal' is on and the tool change air is off so I can not accidentally release a tool when the spindle is on(I have added manual switches for all the pneumatic functions (air seal, tool setter air, tool change/clamping, chip evacuation, etc, ...).
The logic also has an 'air return' output that stays on for 6 seconds. I have this controlling a solenoid valve connected to the return line from the main valve to act as a vent.
I am using pick and place with a linear rack using spring loaded holders I designed and 3D printed for my ISO20 tool holders.
Shellby429
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Ok great.
In regards to the 6 seconds for the “air return“ is that part or the masso logic or have you modified this in some way. From what I have read in the manual it is on constantly.
I’d love to check out your machine in person sometime if you are up for it. If this interests you, shoot me an email. markhyland.001@gmail.com
Regards
Mark
In regards to the 6 seconds for the “air return“ is that part or the masso logic or have you modified this in some way. From what I have read in the manual it is on constantly.
I’d love to check out your machine in person sometime if you are up for it. If this interests you, shoot me an email. markhyland.001@gmail.com
Regards
Mark
Shellby429
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And let me know if you can use any of that extrusion as I think I have some still sitting here.
Also, what CAM software are you using? I was hoping to use solidworks but the post processor seems a bit unresolved on the forum for it.
Also, what CAM software are you using? I was hoping to use solidworks but the post processor seems a bit unresolved on the forum for it.
Below is a section from the Type 2 logic page of the manual, and what I followed:
Unfortunately regarding a visit, I live in Toronto, Ontario, Canada - I jumped in to the thread as I was excited to see a similar spindle, and liked your build (so I can't take you up on your kind offer of the extrusion, but thank you). I do plan to provide a photo/video update of my build once my most recent modifications are complete. I am currently designing and testing a retractable chip shield.
I had asked my contact at Jianken 'a lot' of questions both before and after my purchase. One of the things they sent was a diagram of an example the pneumatics connections - did you also receive this? I do not believe it was in the provided manual. I would be happy to provide it, as it helped me decide how to set up the pneumatics enclosure I built. Let me know.
I am new to all things CNC and machining, having started this journey after retiring just over a year ago, but have learned a great deal and had help from the Masso team and regular forum contributors. Having said that, I started teaching myself how to use F360 for my CAD when I purchased my 3D printer, and am using it now for the CAM as well. I am really just starting to learn that side of things. I have a smaller hobby CNC with is designed more for wood, but plan to mill mostly plastics and aluminum on it. If I can get the CAM/toolpaths perfected on the latter materials I think wood will not be a problem with respect to tolerances and finish.
Tom
INPUTS
- Tool Changer – Input 1 for Spindle drawbar Status (Low for clamped and High for un-clamped)
- Tool Changer – Input 2 for Tool in place Status (Alarm when Low)
- Tool Changer – Input 3 for Dust Hood UP OK signal (High means hood UP)
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- Chuck Clamp M10/M11 for spindle drawbar clamp and un-clamp (Low to clamp and High to un-clamp)
- Tool Changer – Output 1 to move Dust Hood UP/DOWN (When HIGH the hood will move UP)
- Tool Changer – Output 2 for air return (Will stay high for 6 seconds after tool change)
- Tool Changer – Output 3 for spindle clean air blast
Unfortunately regarding a visit, I live in Toronto, Ontario, Canada - I jumped in to the thread as I was excited to see a similar spindle, and liked your build (so I can't take you up on your kind offer of the extrusion, but thank you). I do plan to provide a photo/video update of my build once my most recent modifications are complete. I am currently designing and testing a retractable chip shield.
I had asked my contact at Jianken 'a lot' of questions both before and after my purchase. One of the things they sent was a diagram of an example the pneumatics connections - did you also receive this? I do not believe it was in the provided manual. I would be happy to provide it, as it helped me decide how to set up the pneumatics enclosure I built. Let me know.
I am new to all things CNC and machining, having started this journey after retiring just over a year ago, but have learned a great deal and had help from the Masso team and regular forum contributors. Having said that, I started teaching myself how to use F360 for my CAD when I purchased my 3D printer, and am using it now for the CAM as well. I am really just starting to learn that side of things. I have a smaller hobby CNC with is designed more for wood, but plan to mill mostly plastics and aluminum on it. If I can get the CAM/toolpaths perfected on the latter materials I think wood will not be a problem with respect to tolerances and finish.
Tom
INFORMATION: From MASSO software v3.48, if "Tool Changer - Output 2" is not assigned as an output in the F1-Setup screen then the 6 second delay is automatically ignored by the logic.Shellby429
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Thanks for your input Tom.
Sorry I automatically thoughts I was responding to the originator or the post who was from Melb.
I’d be keen to see your setup Tom. Any photos or videos would be awesome especially given you are not just down the road a few miles
.Thanks for the info on the tool changer. The info I had (or at least I thought I read) has the air on continuous so that’s one problem off my list. I will look into the seal air option too as you described above.
Thanks for your input, good luck with retirement and look forward to your updates
Mark
Shellby429
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Did you use all 3/2 DCVs for you pneumatic control? In one of the diagrams they sent it’s used a 5 port valve (5/2 DCV) and in another it used all 3 port valves (3/2 DCV). I have purchased all 3/2 valves for my application
Below is the diagram I was going by - I added the red highlight when I sent them a question regarding the need for and functioning of the air return:
I imagine it is similar to one you received. I used a 5/2 as shown above, and added a 3/2 off the 'Air A' to vent the Air Return.
As mentioned before, I have it set up for Masso to control during the ATC using a Masso relay module, but I also have switches for manual control. For example, while setting up my tool holder positions on the rack, I manually loaded my 3D probe, and used the switches to clamp/unclamp, and release the air return after 5-6 seconds. I also wrote a simple Gcode warm up program that warms up the spindle while it moves through the full range of the 3 axes. During this routine, I can use my manual switch to temporarily turn off the air seal to save a little air (I am set up in my basement with a smaller quiet compressor).
I imagine it is similar to one you received. I used a 5/2 as shown above, and added a 3/2 off the 'Air A' to vent the Air Return.
As mentioned before, I have it set up for Masso to control during the ATC using a Masso relay module, but I also have switches for manual control. For example, while setting up my tool holder positions on the rack, I manually loaded my 3D probe, and used the switches to clamp/unclamp, and release the air return after 5-6 seconds. I also wrote a simple Gcode warm up program that warms up the spindle while it moves through the full range of the 3 axes. During this routine, I can use my manual switch to temporarily turn off the air seal to save a little air (I am set up in my basement with a smaller quiet compressor).
BlackJack555
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Hi Bill Here in Queensland Aus that covers the air well but how did you wire the tool change sensor.? or have you not worried about it I am just in the process of setting up my Jainkin 3.2 Kw spindle
Shellby429
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yes I have wired the sensors
BlackJack555
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Thanks for the reply thats gerat cheers Bill
BlackJack555
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Could you please expand on how you did it was it through Masso or using an output on the VFD thanks
BlackJack555
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I need to know how to connect the two clamp sensor wires just thought you might be able to help thanks
Shellby429
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Yes through Masso. Is there specific information you are after? Do you have the info from Jainkin regarding the wiring etc?
BlackJack555
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Yes I have the Jainken tool sensor connection and operation info for hook up at spindle in another post you said Masso only had one input for the clamp sensor how did you get around that ? which terminals did you use on the masso to connect the two spindle clamp sensor wires is what I need to know thanks for the help cheers Bill