Is this Estop relay wiring correct?

tmtoronto

TMToronto
I would very much appreciate getting feedback on my wiring diagram - see attached pdf.

From what I have read so far I believe it is the correct way to connect my Leadshine MX4660 driver Estop pins to my 12V opto relay board, and have Masso trigger it with an ES signal. All insights shared are welcomed.

Tom
 

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tmtoronto

TMToronto
Thank you for your input. I think I am misunderstanding more than I thought.

I had looked at that document as part of my planning, and currently have the MX4660 Estop+/- pins 'shorted' as they describe when not using an Estop. When shown with an Estop button the document has it connected NC, which from my reading seemed to be recommended for safety circuits/sensors for the reasons you mention - in case PSU power is lost or a cable is cut you would know because everything should stop and show faults.

This is why I thought it should be normally closed in the relay.

In the forums I read that for this type of relay I needed to make sure it was set to 'high', so that it reads 0V across the IN1 and com - I did this.

I believe I am unclear on what happens in a non-fault situation.

On power up, what does the 12V to the D+/D- of the relay do? Is the coil energized at that point? Are the NC and NO outputs now held in that state - i.e., the NC is actually providing a closed circuit? That is what I thought.

When Masso's ES output is triggered, does it send a 5V TTL signal to the relay IN1? What does this signal do? Does it (through the optocoupler) cause the coil to de-energize and therefore change the state of the NC and NO switches - i.e., so now the NC is an open circuit, and therefore the MX4660 sees that as a fault? That is what I thought.

Please know that I am not at all questioning your information. Rather I wanted to share my thinking, and if you are willing, I would really appreciate it if you could help me understand what part of my thinking if any is correct, and what is not.

Also, as an aside, while I was waiting for support I tried to trigger the IN1 relay from the POS+ of my small 5V PSU. A red LED flashed and then no longer comes on. Did I ruin that part of the relay by doing this?

I am moving into the part of my controller build now where I am connecting inputs and outputs on my Masso and MX4660, and I am really trying to be careful so as not to damage any of my valuable components.

Tom
 

breezy

Moderator
Tom,

MASSO relies on +ve being applied to Estop input 2. This signal is extended out to the ES TTL output, any relay connected to that output will operated under normal operating conditions.

With your relay module, with nothing connected to any of the IN inputs the relays should be in their normal state ie. N/C closed and N/O open.
When a +ve signal is applied the relay should operate so now N/O is closed. That is why you use the N/O contacts to extend the Estop to MX.

The problem with these relay modules that have jumpable input trigger states, they have caused damage to MASSO because they can apply high voltage (12 - 24v) to a output.
This is why we recommend that our relay module be used with MASSO's TTL outputs.

Regards,

Arie.
 

tmtoronto

TMToronto
Thank you Arie.

I think I understand the use of the NO on the relay now.

When everything is as it should be, Masso ES outputs 5VDC to the relay which closes the NO contact closing the circuit and satisfying the MX4660 Estop.

When the Estop button is pressed, the relay coil is deactivated and the now NO circuit triggers the MX4660 Estop.

I imagine the only concern would be the relay contacts malfunctioning and welding shut.

Given the potential for error, I think it best if I purchase and use the Masso relay.

Thank you for your help.

Tom
 
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