Masso updater 3.47.4 Trouble

[buckmaster1967]

Hello,

I have a 10ft water table with a Hypertherm 45 cutter, Masso G2, 3 axis controler with Price HVHC 10 HT Controller.

Finally having a day off, I decided to work on my Price height controller. Received some good advice from here and was excited to play. First I need to cut out a sign. On about the 3rd line of the run, the torch would go down to the top of the metal, the arc would light and just set there. Could not figure out the issue. Tried a few of my latest cuts that ran fine before. Same thing with them. I started reversing my steps since my last good cut. It was the latest update 3.47.4 . I tries everything, new install of update, downloaded it again, changed thumb drives. Always the same results. I decided to down grade to my last update Masso v3.44. Table is working great once again. All the cuts the failed, now works. Of course still have not fixed the height controller, just thankful the table is cutting again.

 

[masso-support]

@buckmaster1967

Could you share the Gcode file you are having trouble so we can have a look at it please and run some tests. Can you also upload as a copy of your settings file so I can see how you have your machine setup.

Did you do the update and try and cut without the THC and that is when it failed?

Did you install the update and enable the THC at the same time, then tried to run your gcode file?

Cheers Peter

 

[evermech]

@buckmaster1967

m62 and m63 have been fiddled with. If you are using those m codes it could be causing problems perhaps?

Guy

 

[buckmaster1967]

Peter,

Not sure have to upload my setting, I took pictures of the drive settings. I had Masso set for Arc OK with HT controller. Had my Price controller turned off. This is have I have ran my table for the last couple of months. Table has cut great, but been weighing my thin metal down with weight. I did not change any thing in the settings when I upgraded the software. The Tap. file is just a simple eagle emblem. Works great with my settings with v3.44. I got the same results with every cut I tried. Once I down graded to v3.44, everything cut fine.

 

[buckmaster1967]

Did not see the TAP file, trying it ag

 

[breezy]

@buckmaster1967,

Not sure have to upload my setting

On the F1 screen in Function settings last item "Save & Load Calibration Setting" click that, it will dump a HTG file into your USB stick, upload that. Peter can then load that into his machine to test against 3.47.4 with the program that you have already uploaded.

Regards,

Arie.

 

[Ross]

Hi Buckmaster1967,

Not sure what post processor you are using but it doesn't look correct for me.

Do you use SheetCam?

Here is a file you can try, it uses my post processor with suits Masso and is generated through SheetCam.

We can start with these few things first and see how it goes.

From Ross.

 

[masso-support]

Hi Buckmaster1967

If you set your Masso the THC with Ark ok and left the THC turned off then when the Arc was struck Masso would not have received the required Arc ok signal so would stop and not proceed any further with the cut. I could be wrong but this might be why things didn't work. when doing something like this you need to hake it one thing at a time. First update the software and test that works. Check settings to make sure they are correct. Once that is working move onto part of the install. Doing everything all at once is a sure way to get nothing done.

Since the arc struck you must have been well past line 3 as the Gcode file doesn't turn the plasma on until line 16 which is where I suspect it stopped while waiting for an Arc ok signal.
The video below shows how to save your settings file if that helps.

Cheers Peter

 

[buckmaster1967]

Ark OK worked fine with the old software. It is working fine now with the old software. I am sure my settings could be improved. I have cut over 50 signs out with these settings. (Use Ark OK with no HTC). Now after the update, this won't work? Like I said before, I have a lot to learn and excited about getting my table set up to its fullest capacity. Will upload my settings tonight ( Thanks Brezzy) so you can see my rights and wrongs. Would like to thank you and the rest for taking the time to try and help.

 

[buckmaster1967]

Quote from Ross on June 17, 2020, 6:16 pm

Hi Buckmaster1967,

Not sure what post processor you are using but it doesn't look correct for me.

Do you use SheetCam?

Here is a file you can try, it uses my post processor with suits Masso and is generated through SheetCam.

We can start with these few things first and see how it goes.

From Ross.

Yes Inkscape and Sheetcam. I have the Masso Post Processor installed. But still LOTS to learn.

 

[buckmaster1967]

Here is my Masso settings.

 

[Ross]

Hi @buckmaster1967, Would you like to try the post processor i have, it includes a scribe as well.

I am not sure but i think the Masso Post processor might be out of date.

The other thing is would you like to video call via LINE and try to get the THC working.

Message Masso, Attentions Peter and they can forward details to you.

Cheers from Ross.

 

[buckmaster1967]

Quote from MASSO Support on June 17, 2020, 10:30 pm

Hi Buckmaster1967

If you set your Masso the THC with Ark ok and left the THC turned off then when the Arc was struck Masso would not have received the required Arc ok signal so would stop and not proceed any further with the cut. I could be wrong but this might be why things didn't work. when doing something like this you need to hake it one thing at a time. First update the software and test that works. Check settings to make sure they are correct. Once that is working move onto part of the install. Doing everything all at once is a sure way to get nothing done.

Since the arc struck you must have been well past line 3 as the Gcode file doesn't turn the plasma on until line 16 which is where I suspect it stopped while waiting for an Arc ok signal.
The video below shows how to save your settings file if that helps.

Cheers Peter

Hello, Have you had time to look at my settings?

 

[masso-support]

Hi Buckmaster1967

Sorry for the delay, I've only just had a chance to look.

I loaded your settings into my G2 on the old software and can see that you are indeed have it set to option 2 Without THC but using Arc ok signal.
I ran the test file you provided and as expected the plasma stopped when it got to the M3 line be cause the ARC OK input is set low on my setup.
I am assuming that you have resistors installed between the positive and the input which sets input 14 to High in the normal state or you are getting an ARC Ok signal direct from the Plasma itself instead of the THC which you said you have turned off.
I set my input 14 to high and re ran the file. This time it ran as I expected.

I next did the update to 3.47.4 and checked the settings again to make sure nothing had changes. They looked to be the same and I reran your file. It again ran as expected so I don't know why when you did the update and left everything the same you couldn't get it to run.

Your settings leave me with a couple of questions. Just for a better understanding.

• Where is the Arc ok signal that you are using coming from? Is it from the Plasma, THC, or do you have a resistor between +ve and the input to hold the ARC OK Input 14 high, as shown on the Proma drawing?
  
• Could you please share a screen print of the F1 screen so I can see inputs 14, 15, & 16 as they are when you first turn the machine on?
  

If I am wrong about the following please ignore.
My understanding is that when you try to use the THC the Arc ok signal does not work for you and you get an alarm.
If you are using the Proma wiring diagram with the resistors in place are you remembering to invert the Arc ok, THC1 & THC2 inputs when you test with the THC unit on.
In the situation above if you do not invert the inputs the ARC OK signal from the THC will turn off the ARC OK input to Masso which would cause and alarm.

When using the THC the normal state of ARC OK, THC1 & THC2 must show LOW and the inputs would normally be inverted in Masso if you have the resistors installed.
Looking at the F1 screen, when you manually strike an arc you should see the ARC OK input 14 changed from Low to High and when the arc stops it should return to Low again.

Cheers
Peter

 

[buckmaster1967]

Thank you very much for taking time to help. I take take your opinion as facts. I am getting the plasma ark ok from the plasma unit. I just want and looked and remembered I remove the resistors in my try everything to fix the HTC . The setting file I uploaded is exactly as it is now, and before the update. The reason I gave up on the HTC was, with the Arc OK set to on with Proma, and the price unit on. I never could see the Arc OK light on the price light up except as a flint here and there. When I turn the Price off, the OK light light up like it should. Of course the Z drive only reacts when the Price see the Arc OK. I think I will start from scratch in the morning. Check/Rewire the Price unit. So I definitely need to have the resistors wired in?

 

[cncnutz]

I now understand where the Arc ok is coming from so that makes sense.
Let me start by saying work on one thing at a time. Either do the update first and make sure that works or do the THC get that working.
Don't do both together, concentrate on one at a time.

You can wire the it any way you like as long as you get the inputs to go high when the AVHC10 outputs a signal.
I have drawn you a diagram of how I would wire it. If you wire it as shown you will need to invert the Masso inputs 14, 15 & 16 to show low normally and high when the THC sends a signal.

Once you have wired it test using the AVHC10's test function to make sure the Masso sees the inputs from the THC.
If Masso can see the signals then it is wired right.
If the THC is not lighting up the Arc ok light on its own panel when you strike the arc you have probably set the voltage setting wrong in the THC. The videos on the price website shows how to set the this correctly and you can set it up even before you connect it to Masso.
Remember also that Ross has offered to help you get it working and he is familiar with setting up and running a Plasma with a THC.

I have been writing a step by step guide on how to setup a THC. While I haven't finished it yet, you may find it useful. I have attached it here.
It will give you a basic understanding of how the THC interface works on Masso.

Hope you get it going.
Cheers
Peter

 

[buckmaster1967]

Thank you,

Today I decided to started from scratch. I did not have the the resistors in, so they were installed following the diagram. Hit the power up switch and shorted out my power supply. The black wires with the Up/Down/Ark OK coming from the Price was connected to ground. Got me second guessing myself on the wiring of the Price unit. Please see the picture from the Price manual. I have the Up/Down/Ark OK from Price, wired into Masso inputs 14/15/16. On all the other images in the Price manual shows these black wired to go to ground when dealing with other Break Out Boards. Where would the black wires go on the Masso Unit? I am lucky I just lost the power supply.

 

[masso-support]

please note that the wiring diagrams in the documentation are just wiring examples as each machine setup is different and you need to workout wiring/setup as per your requirements.

as an example, the resistors in the diagram are just examples as per the PROMA 150 manual. MASSO just needs a 5 to 24VDC signal to trigger an input as HIGH and you can wire this in many different ways depending on your setup.

 

[Ross]

Follow this wiring instructions!

The resistor wires come from the Masso power supply side,

Not the THC power supply or you might get a power spike and kill the Masso!

THE THC HAS IT'S OWN POWER SUPPLY.

Ross.

 

[cncnutz]

You have had it wired this way in the past so it should not have caused any problem. Was there a stray wire from the positive of the power supply that made contact with ground? You need to have a fuse in the power supply output in case of a short circuit. The video on wiring the AVHC shows the output pairs as a solid state relay and shows the 3 black wires connected to ground while the 3 colored wired go to the controller just as you wired it.

Cheers Peter