Problems with Start and Jump to buttons

gvmdcg

gvmdcg
Using Masso for the couple of time has not been a pleasant experience.
  1. My start button will not start the machine unless I push the reload button mostly 2 to 3 times before it will start.
  2. I had a slight power outage in the middle of a carving and when power came back on and try to just to the line number and hit start from line it puts the cursor at the right location. I hit run and nothing happen. I hit the run key, nothing happens. I retry the jump to and the second time it put the cursor of the work piece. See photos.

Paid allot of money for this and expecting it to function like advertised

Rick
 

tayloredtech

TayloredTech
Quote from gvmdcg on April 25, 2019, 8:25 pm

Using Masso for the couple of time has not been a pleasant experience.
  1. My start button will not start the machine unless I push the reload button mostly 2 to 3 times before it will start.
  2. I had a slight power outage in the middle of a carving and when power came back on and try to just to the line number and hit start from line it puts the cursor at the right location. I hit run and nothing happen. I hit the run key, nothing happens. I retry the jump to and the second time it put the cursor of the work piece. See photos.

Paid allot of money for this and expecting it to function like advertised

Rick

Hello Rick,

What Start button are you talking about...? The Masso doesn't have a button to turn it on, just power it on and it will boot.

Power is either on or off so what is a slight power outage? If ANY CNC machine has power interuptions during a cut, it needs to be restarted OR you make multiple jobs per task in the project so you can start at different intervals. I'm not sure how any of this is something that was advertised as a feature at all...

Have you used many CNCs before?

This is a forum with a very large wealth of knowledge by users and the Masso support team, Search and read before you post or it's very unlikely you will get much help from other users.
 

breezy

Arie
Staff member
Quote from TayloredTech on April 26, 2019, 6:29 am

What Start button are you talking about...? The Masso doesn't have a button to turn it on, just power it on and it will boot.

From list of configurable inputs

Home Button Input
Cycle Start Button Input
Cycle Stop Button Input
Gcode Rewind Button Input

So it is possible to wire momentary push buttons to MASSO inputs and configure them.

This is the panel from the Bicton Men's Shed 3DTek Heavy Mill where I have wired 7 buttons, the top 4 to perform the listed functions and the bottom 3 to autoload G-code files.

zLPD7kasUrNMpwK_J5UYcpLgmG5X5AQ_ivswjDCegIa6M5jg-lioSIU7j7pTTNuUL8l2NcXBEmTvyefahmKOERz8Whlu4oGfVM700JOzu81FlCeLVMrMMP-7T3UvMOhpuFnNshmiXCWzB-FFEGsesnJ2-lBq8ADACuDK3Y728M8_DUFCHl344ThaZ9Lj8G1VYkq9k1qRZ34XIuvkha7kZL0oiGljlTgdBbnK0ItqMt_fxK3D3z3ljkg-6wvwXuRuQexZq15gn2d9rwnQhu69-14cfWJmo1sT2NhVelCAFwCxAOzKnq6UixFADu7wJMx-1mCKxegyo7eBoOwphSywF0SAnZZCAoeT5G1Ahi1n3JVJ6y3wUxuelHMfKIIntz-4136UXKXiiuVBDCh9FXnTOtHQHAIe6BGnFFd9eq27_yEsOOyOtLhqf-oCxf7OsjqrsdwrQlInEdZJnVBR_7RqSIL30NdlHE9wU2_ra-twTLSF8hYYNcLKtwE3K9yvL3zfWHzmIumaCs3-9KXMfWqv2Ip1AuxFpRjMpaOU66jI_gTK2RSziABFGBC_W9a9ZmU8jpO29dzHY6GSvBsmJQ-1-teZFduUERLnAi_xpJ7M6RsF2UnsLy5BXchVEmFQrufjRjRBfAutsjorxt0x0UWXIDoOxX7TUkM=w1631-h917-no


Regards,

Arie.
 

masso-support

MASSO Support
Staff member
Hi Rick

Your photo's did not showing up in the post so can't see what is happening.
My start button will not start the machine unless I push the reload button mostly 2 to 3 times before it will start.

When you load a program you need to press the Rewind button on the screen using your mouse, CTRL + R on your keyboard or a configured physical rewind button to rewind the file befre it will run. You should only need to press it once for the GCode file to run when you select start.


I had a slight power outage in the middle of a carving and when power came back on and try to just to the line number and hit start from line it puts the cursor at the right location. I hit run and nothing happen. I hit the run key, nothing happens. I retry the jump to and the second time it put the cursor of the work piece.

Not sure from your description of exactly what procedure you were using to reset position. After a power outage you need to home your machine and reset your working X, Y and Z zero coordinates as these will have been lost and you could end up cutting anywhere on the table. If power is dodgy in your area or you think it is a good idea after you set up your position you can go into the Tools & Offset screen F4 and double click on G54 then click Auto load for X,Y,Z and A, then press save. This will save your offsets so that next time you start and home your machine it will know where your working coordinates were before the power outage. You would resave the offsets each job if you wished to retain them.

What you should be seeing when you press the Start from line key is information about coordinate positions comes up on the screen. Pressing Run moves the Z axis to Z zero and the machines moves to the X coordinate. Then press Start and the machine moves to the Y coordinate. Press start again and it starts machining.

Could you let us know what version software you are running on Masso. You will find it in the left hand corner of the F1 screen.

If you want to share any screens just press the print screen button on your keyboard and it will create a screen capture on your USB drive. Easier than taking photos of the screen.

Cheers

Peter
 

gvmdcg

gvmdcg
Hi Taylored Tech,

Thanks for the reply. I purchased my first desk top CNC several years ago. I make allot of things as a hobby. I felt the old machine was to small and did not have the precision I was looking for so I built my new machine. There was also an issue with the old operating system so i move to MASSO.

I am finding that when I click Cycle Start or CTRL S nothing happens. I click it several times and noting happens. it was suggested to hit the Rewind CTRL + R. and then Cycle start. This worked. The machine ran and the 3d carving was coming out better then I expected. However, I had a power interrupt after 2 1/2 hour into the carving that left me scratching my head. I found the video telling me that the Masso remembers the last Gcode line. It tells to boot the system back up to go to the Jump To line button and indeed the line number was there. I clicked the Start From Line button and it recalculated the cnc heads location and puts a cross hairs on the screen right where the job stopped. Perfect! I click Run and nothing happens. I ran through the procedure again and and this time it recalculate the cross hair to a unknown location off the job. Machine Y Position -1905.134 inches, and Z position: -24369.701 inch. I got a soft stop warning. The only think i can do know is to Home and restart the whole job.

The Jump To Line and the Work Origin button is also not working. Not sure but these buttons should work. Feed Hold or ESC works and the machine stops and only then I can use the Cycle Start button and the machine will continue.

I stopped my carving last night and left the machine on all night so I can restart the carving today because I don't have the ability to Jump to gcode line and continue my job.

I hope this clears up what is causing my frustration.

Rick
 

gvmdcg

gvmdcg
Hi Peter,

My software vs. 3.40.15.

It is very rare I lose power. I was not aware I hade to rehome the machine at first. as in my above statements. I clicked the Start From Line button and it recalculated the cnc heads location and puts a cross hairs on the screen right where the job stopped. Perfect! I click Run and nothing happens. I ran through the procedure again and and this time it recalculate the cross hair to a unknown location off the job. Machine Y Position -1905.134 inches, and Z position: -24369.701 inch. I got a soft stop warning. at this point I rehomed the machine. I then manually imputed the last line number and hit start from line button and it displayed this information. See attached photo.

The Jump To Line and the Work Origin button is also not working. Not sure but these buttons should work. Feed Hold or ESC works and the machine stops and only then I can use the Cycle Start button and the machine will continue.

I did have an issue in the first software load when originally when I fist got the MASSO. Your tech team helped my out .

Rick
 

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tayloredtech

TayloredTech
Quote from Breezy on April 26, 2019, 9:08 am

Quote from TayloredTech on April 26, 2019, 6:29 am

What Start button are you talking about...? The Masso doesn't have a button to turn it on, just power it on and it will boot.

From list of configurable inputs

Home Button Input
Cycle Start Button Input
Cycle Stop Button Input
Gcode Rewind Button Input

So it is possible to wire momentary push buttons to MASSO inputs and configure them.

This is the panel from the Bicton Men's Shed 3DTek Heavy Mill where I have wired 7 buttons, the top 4 to perform the listed functions and the bottom 3 to autoload G-code files.

zLPD7kasUrNMpwK_J5UYcpLgmG5X5AQ_ivswjDCegIa6M5jg-lioSIU7j7pTTNuUL8l2NcXBEmTvyefahmKOERz8Whlu4oGfVM700JOzu81FlCeLVMrMMP-7T3UvMOhpuFnNshmiXCWzB-FFEGsesnJ2-lBq8ADACuDK3Y728M8_DUFCHl344ThaZ9Lj8G1VYkq9k1qRZ34XIuvkha7kZL0oiGljlTgdBbnK0ItqMt_fxK3D3z3ljkg-6wvwXuRuQexZq15gn2d9rwnQhu69-14cfWJmo1sT2NhVelCAFwCxAOzKnq6UixFADu7wJMx-1mCKxegyo7eBoOwphSywF0SAnZZCAoeT5G1Ahi1n3JVJ6y3wUxuelHMfKIIntz-4136UXKXiiuVBDCh9FXnTOtHQHAIe6BGnFFd9eq27_yEsOOyOtLhqf-oCxf7OsjqrsdwrQlInEdZJnVBR_7RqSIL30NdlHE9wU2_ra-twTLSF8hYYNcLKtwE3K9yvL3zfWHzmIumaCs3-9KXMfWqv2Ip1AuxFpRjMpaOU66jI_gTK2RSziABFGBC_W9a9ZmU8jpO29dzHY6GSvBsmJQ-1-teZFduUERLnAi_xpJ7M6RsF2UnsLy5BXchVEmFQrufjRjRBfAutsjorxt0x0UWXIDoOxX7TUkM=w1631-h917-no


Regards,

Arie.

Hey Arie, yes I have all these such inputs wired on mine also but as I was answering a new user it seemed relevant. a "Start button to start the machine"
 

tayloredtech

TayloredTech
Quote from gvmdcg on April 26, 2019, 11:33 am

Hi Taylored Tech,

Thanks for the reply. I purchased my first desk top CNC several years ago. I make allot of things as a hobby. I felt the old machine was to small and did not have the precision I was looking for so I built my new machine. There was also an issue with the old operating system so i move to MASSO.

I am finding that when I click Cycle Start or CTRL S nothing happens. I click it several times and noting happens. it was suggested to hit the Rewind CTRL + R. and then Cycle start. This worked. The machine ran and the 3d carving was coming out better then I expected. However, I had a power interrupt after 2 1/2 hour into the carving that left me scratching my head. I found the video telling me that the Masso remembers the last Gcode line. It tells to boot the system back up to go to the Jump To line button and indeed the line number was there. I clicked the Start From Line button and it recalculated the cnc heads location and puts a cross hairs on the screen right where the job stopped. Perfect! I click Run and nothing happens. I ran through the procedure again and and this time it recalculate the cross hair to a unknown location off the job. Machine Y Position -1905.134 inches, and Z position: -24369.701 inch. I got a soft stop warning. The only think i can do know is to Home and restart the whole job.

The Jump To Line and the Work Origin button is also not working. Not sure but these buttons should work. Feed Hold or ESC works and the machine stops and only then I can use the Cycle Start button and the machine will continue.

I stopped my carving last night and left the machine on all night so I can restart the carving today because I don't have the ability to Jump to gcode line and continue my job.

I hope this clears up what is causing my frustration.

Rick

I see what you're saying.

I have found many presumed knowledge steps that are left out of documentation. You may find if nothing happens when you are trying to restart the job that something is unknown to the Masso or it needs to be retold something.. It's tricky to find out exactly what exactly it's missing but try some smaller run time jobs and recreate the same scenario and have a good read into some threads here as you will find many of us have had strange things like this occur. I have had many. Peter is a great help so keep in contact with him but certainly have a search through and you might find someone has been stuck in the same spot.

Happy hunting
 

gvmdcg

gvmdcg
Hi Breezy,

I eventually plain to install switches to my panel to control inputs as you listed them. Do you wire them the same as the homing switches?

Rick
 

breezy

Arie
Staff member
Quote from gvmdcg on April 26, 2019, 2:07 pm

Hi Breezy,

I eventually plain to install switches to my panel to control inputs as you listed them. Do you wire them the same as the homing switches?

Rick

Rick,

As @tayloredtech commented, search the forum first, you might find someone as already asked the question. In this case I found that the documentation was lacking in information so I asked and this was the result. Also the wiring diagram is now in the documentation https://www.masso.com.au/masso-documentation/?section=list-of-configurable-inputs

Regards,

Arie.
 

masso-support

MASSO Support
Staff member
Wow Rick

Looking at the screen capture you have a 2000 foot high Z axis. There is something very impressive or very screwy going on there. I'm hoping for impressive myself but fear I am going to be disappointed.
?Could you please send a copy of your MASSO_Settings.htg file for your machine.

Just go to the F1 screen then under Save & Load Calibration settings click [Save to File]

This will save your machines settings to the USB stick.


I will have a look at your setup and see it here is anything obvious.


Cheers

Peter
 

gvmdcg

gvmdcg
I will send you the file when I get home from work.

These wild coordinates show up only after I click Jump To Line in put the line number and then click Start from line button.

Also the Go To work Origin button doesn't seam to work.

Rick
 

gvmdcg

gvmdcg
Attached in my Masso settings that you have requested



Rick
 

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masso-support

MASSO Support
Staff member
Hi Rick,

I loaded up your settings file and had a look

Other than you are homing the Z axis twice there didn't appear to be anything strange that would explain the issue and the weird coordinates I could see in your photo.

Would it be possible to post the Gcode file you were cutting. you will need to zip it up.

In the meantime I have made a video on using the Jump to line feature which might confirm that you are using it correctly or might point to an error in the way you were using it.


Cheers

Peter
 

gvmdcg

gvmdcg
Hi Peter,

Thanks for the video link I have watched several of his videos. It answers some questions. I will try to send you the Gcode when I get back home next week.

attached is my first project on Masso. It came out very well besides the issues I had issues.

Rick
 

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gvmdcg

gvmdcg
Quote from MASSO Support on May 1, 2019, 12:08 pm

Hi Rick,

I loaded up your settings file and had a look

Other than you are homing the Z axis twice there didn't appear to be anything strange that would explain the issue and the weird coordinates I could see in your photo.

Would it be possible to post the Gcode file you were cutting. you will need to zip it up.

In the meantime I have made a video on using the Jump to line feature which might confirm that you are using it correctly or might point to an error in the way you were using it.


Cheers

Peter

Sorry for the delay I was out of town. attached is the code I was using to cut the item i made.

Rick
 

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