rotary tool changer on victor 4 milling machine

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braam

Braam
@masso-support

Good afternoon. Hope you can help.

Looking to convert a old milling machine to masso, but it has a rotary tool changer on, see picture attached.

Do you support this type of rotary toll changer?



kind regard

Braam
 

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braam

Braam
@breezy,

Arie the system work almost the same as a umbrella tool changer (https://docs.masso.com.au/index.php...gers/mill-tool-changers/umbrella-tool-changer).

the only difference is instead of sliding the whole tool changer in and out and the Z axis moving up and down to collect the the tool, the following happens with this tool changer:
  1. the rotary tool changer rotates to the desired tool, a pneumatic cylinder actuates the tool downward.
  2. a swivel arm collects the tool from the rotary tool holder.
  3. in the mean time the other end of the arm is at the atc, collects the old tool from the atc,( the arm has 2 ends), grabs it, drops down to take it out.
  4. the arm swivels around to the atc with the new tool, lifts up, atc collects it.
  5. in the mean time the rotary tool changer, which has rotated to the position that the old tool sits in and the pneumatic cylinder actuates down.
  6. collects the tool at the same time as the atc collects its tool,
  7. pneumatic cylinder actuates back and the swivel arm rotate out of the way

hope this is a brief explanation of how the atc works

please see attached link to a haas side moount tool changer that works in very similar way to one we have.

side note, this machine was bought in a non running condition and a lot of components missing. we are in the process of building it up and adding the components that is missing.

hence the whole new operating system.

regards

braam
 
cncnutz

cncnutz

CNCnutz
Staff member
It depends on the logic your tool changer requires.
The only one that is close is the Umbrella tool changer.
You need to compare the list of inputs outputs and logic of the umbrella tool changer to your tool changer and see if it is compatible.
I'm guessing Tool changer output 3 would maybe move the arm. I suppose it also depends on whether the arm rotation is mechanical and just uses a single input high or low to do the tool change operation once the tool is in position.
I don't know the answer myself and there are too many unknowns about how the tool changer works that the video cannot show.
It looks complex but some tool changer can be very simple and mostly mechanical in operation.
Cheers Peter
 
breezy

breezy

Moderator
cncnutz said:
there are too many unknowns about how the tool changer works that the video cannot show
Click to expand...
For one thing, it seems the tool changer logic keeps track of the tool location in the carousel, as it doesn't rotate between extraction of the requested and the return of the current tool.
 
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mdebelak

New member
Thank you for your replay.
breezy said:
For one thing, it seems the tool changer logic keeps track of the tool location in the carousel, as it doesn't rotate between extraction of the requested and the return of the current tool.
Click to expand...
Yes this is true. I have diferent brand ATC but it works the same.
I really like masso interface, so I am trying to find a way how to solve it.
 
cncnutz

cncnutz

CNCnutz
Staff member
At present the tool changer logic is being reviewed and updated.
Could you contact MASSO support with all the relevant information, inputs, outputs, videos, logic requirements and anything else that seems relevant and it can be looked at for you.

@mdebelak
MASSO is English only if that is what you are asking.
Cheers Peter
 
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mdebelak

New member
I was askin what program logic contoller is using?
I will send mail with information to Masso support.

Regards
Matej
 
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