THC, is there a need for something that works with G3 ?

[lilow]

After spending 3 years on developing a THC to work and finally able to internally work within the Masso G3.

Is it possible that after all the trial and tribulations that a THC could be plug and play in Masso ?

Masso have had no input, just not interested.

Could there be a need ?

Just asking a question.

This will come with the G / M codes you need to put into the cutting file.

As many struggle with this part.

I have a few spare boards that can be put together.

This could give you 0.003v Up /Down signal read at a feed rate of 2300 m/m or more in nearly any thickness of material to the Z axis for the really precise cutting

It can be setup for any machine with a cut voltage reading.

This can be set by the individual user by a simple adjustment.

The set read voltage can be set between 1V and 33V between the spectrum of voltages through the Masso.

Depending upon the divider board in use.

Clear control voltage adjustment on the fly while cutting.

Extremely clean cuts anytime.

Easy setup.

Once set, no need to adjust again.

Let me know, cheers.

 

[tpos]

I would be interested why has masso not been interested in this THC is a must for plasma

 

[segoman-designs]

To market a CNC Controller for the plasma environment without support for the various known working THC systems on the market defies logic. Price is considered one of the better units out there, yet it is just now being hacked to work with the Masso ( I have not followed all of that thread to be current on its progress - bunny hops were cured on my last read)

Masso promised a release of their working THC over 2 yrs ago, yet it has not appeared. If it has the same Alien Ship that kidnaps known Price working unit owners has beamed up all of Masso's THC units as well. The plasma environment may use a similar set of G-Codes for axis movement but controlling the plasma cut is a whole new environment.

On the fly speed and height control are critical for clean cuts, consumables wear and require speed adjustments. The Ability to grab an existing file and adjust the speed to cut a thicker - thinner material is a tremendous time saver. Time is money! All of this is common knowledge to people in the plasma field. That group does not include Masso, they have posted no pictures of the plasma table in their shop when requested.

Enter a Dingo Wrangler in the picture, he has decades of experience with with both plasma and TIG (both arc voltage controlled). Yet Masso is cruising the universe in that ship and ignores his system with his vast knowledge of how things work. (Wow I must be stuck in a time warp here - Beam Me Up Scotty!) I still have faith in the Masso controller but with out a plug n play THC controller this is just a glorified toy.

Fast forward to the current dimesion, I can without a doubt say that Dingo Mans systems works...

Pic break down:

Yesterdays cut (Blue background) 0.5" 30 ipm 65A

big pce 1" plate 8ipm 65A

Vids of my build with my mounting variation:

Ian,

Both Pele' and I thank you for allowing us to be the test mule on your system.

Steve

 

[derekmccoy]

Yes please, how much?

 

[tpos]

Quote from SegoMan DeSigns on July 25, 2020, 1:26 am

To market a CNC Controller for the plasma environment without support for the various known working THC systems on the market defies logic. Price is considered one of the better units out there, yet it is just now being hacked to work with the Masso ( I have not followed all of that thread to be current on its progress - bunny hops were cured on my last read)

Masso promised a release of their working THC over 2 yrs ago, yet it has not appeared. If it has the same Alien Ship that kidnaps known Price working unit owners has beamed up all of Masso's THC units as well. The plasma environment may use a similar set of G-Codes for axis movement but controlling the plasma cut is a whole new environment.

On the fly speed and height control are critical for clean cuts, consumables wear and require speed adjustments. The Ability to grab an existing file and adjust the speed to cut a thicker - thinner material is a tremendous time saver. Time is money! All of this is common knowledge to people in the plasma field. That group does not include Masso, they have posted no pictures of the plasma table in their shop when requested.

Enter a Dingo Wrangler in the picture, he has decades of experience with with both plasma and TIG (both arc voltage controlled). Yet Masso is cruising the universe in that ship and ignores his system with his vast knowledge of how things work. (Wow I must be stuck in a time warp here - Beam Me Up Scotty!) I still have faith in the Masso controller but with out a plug n play THC controller this is just a glorified toy.

Fast forward to the current dimesion, I can without a doubt say that Dingo Mans systems works...

Pic break down:

Yesterdays cut (Blue background) 0.5" 30 ipm 65A

big pce 1" plate 8ipm 65A

Vids of my build with my mounting variation:

Ian,

Both Pele' and I thank you for allowing us to be the test mule on your system.

Steve

Quote from SegoMan DeSigns on July 25, 2020, 1:26 am

To market a CNC Controller for the plasma environment without support for the various known working THC systems on the market defies logic. Price is considered one of the better units out there, yet it is just now being hacked to work with the Masso ( I have not followed all of that thread to be current on its progress - bunny hops were cured on my last read)

Masso promised a release of their working THC over 2 yrs ago, yet it has not appeared. If it has the same Alien Ship that kidnaps known Price working unit owners has beamed up all of Masso's THC units as well. The plasma environment may use a similar set of G-Codes for axis movement but controlling the plasma cut is a whole new environment.

On the fly speed and height control are critical for clean cuts, consumables wear and require speed adjustments. The Ability to grab an existing file and adjust the speed to cut a thicker - thinner material is a tremendous time saver. Time is money! All of this is common knowledge to people in the plasma field. That group does not include Masso, they have posted no pictures of the plasma table in their shop when requested.

Enter a Dingo Wrangler in the picture, he has decades of experience with with both plasma and TIG (both arc voltage controlled). Yet Masso is cruising the universe in that ship and ignores his system with his vast knowledge of how things work. (Wow I must be stuck in a time warp here - Beam Me Up Scotty!) I still have faith in the Masso controller but with out a plug n play THC controller this is just a glorified toy.

Fast forward to the current dimesion, I can without a doubt say that Dingo Mans systems works...

Pic break down:

Yesterdays cut (Blue background) 0.5" 30 ipm 65A

big pce 1" plate 8ipm 65A

Vids of my build with my mounting variation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_7yQEwDTXI



Ian,

Both Pele' and I thank you for allowing us to be the test mule on your system.

Steve

I just had a look at your videos great job love your design all painted up i have a plasma table i will be retrofitting after i finish a cnc mill masso with a masso if i have a good run with it i will likely try masso on a plasma table BUT only if i am sure i can get THC to work i dont have the time to be a test pilot i am from Australia too i would rather jump on a Kangaroo for a bumpy Ride crash testing Cheers Trev

 

[segoman-designs]

Trev,

Thanks Mate.

THC is no longer a problem with the Lilow Hi-Low THC. He can have it mounted in a box ready to wire into the controller for you. I laid out my console around the Price unit so I did some minor field modifications to make er fit.

Since you already understand Strine he won't have to include the translation manual like he did with me.

 

[tpos]

That's great news where are you from I am from central victoria Australia this is the machine I am considering removing controller off it is still a supported controller however we have to call tech support for any adjustments all of the settings are password protected I have built machines and fitted controllers so is frustrating I don't have access to making my own changes

 

[segoman-designs]

Nice looking machine you have there, it's a shame you have to refit it just to tweak a setting, (That must be made by the Australian branch of Plasma Cam) I see your running a Hypertherm 1250 did you upgrade the torch to the Duramax model.

I live in the outback of Colorado

 

[tpos]

It's a great machine torch height controll works well it has an air probe to sense steel before each pierce lots of good features would prefer to leave it origional but I would like to add a propane torch and air scribe but would need to change settings etc and I don't have access to do these changes I suspect a tech visit here would cost more than a complete controll retrofit except we don't usually take the cost of time we all now how much time goes into retrofitting and fine tuning to get it all functioning correctly

 

[lilow]

Years ago before I built my first plasma table, it was 1998.

When ART were first starting out, I contacted a guy through a paper add regarding a demo.

He was related to the owners and doing representative trials with 6" x 4" trailer with a CNC table mounted in it.

He came to my place and gave me a demo.

Good, just what I need but I need a 4.2 metre cutting length.

What is the cost I asked.

$38,000.00 was the answer.

Well, that started the journey.

But one thing was missing, how do you put together an Arc Voltage Control or a THC.

This has taken 20 years, as no one will let on go the information.

So in that time I have had to rely on US based companies, that gets expensive.

I have just fitted the board with an actual cost of $13.50 US for the board to the 3D Tig weld machine to replace a $10,000.00US unit.

The results are incredible, just what I would be looking for 10 years ago but couldn't achieve in both Plasma cutting and 3D Tig welding.

I have only asked a question, would Masso users need this if could plug and play straight away.

Sorry no costing yet as it will not be till next year.

But in the meantime, I'm putting together another big plasma using Masso and the THC board.

Some photos below.

To Tpos, I live in central Victoria.

Cheers, Lilow.

 

[tpos]

Hi LiLow that's fantastic we have a lot in common would like to catch up and share some ideas are you in victoria cheers Trev

 

[lilow]

Tpos

Cheers.

 

[lilow]

It can't be too hard.

Cheers.

 

[tpos]

Cheers Lilow seems they need to have more people show interest before acting on some improvements cheers

 

[jcoldon]

First off just sticking a thc unit on a masso not going to work good I tried it . .. the masso needs THC delay control. anti dive features THC z axis response control and separate excel just for THC that not going to happen



with Saigon man thc unit any unit put out up down feature take the MINI for example it drive masso just fine but with out the other features thc hit or miss . as Hypertherm Jim colt stated many times



THC unit and z axis needs to be .0004 to get good THC height control .. it masso would simply add THC reaction controls like excel and ipm .anti dive features and a thc delay built in there software they have a nice plasma controller take uccnc look at there thc controller or vital systems hicon there voltage card and the new mach 4 plasma screen makes it one of the best plasma thc built in controllers



having all thc setting on the screen and not in g codes is what is needed . that way no reposting when setting change is needed .. I been building a lot of plasma tables helped a lot of people fix there mfg. built tables . FB page CNC plasma table builders .. I really had high hopes for the masso and plasma but just could not get the thc part going good it lack thc control masso just not interested in plasma .

 

[lilow]

jcoldon.

You seem to be on a mission here with what you wrote.

You know it is actually good to get a comment after all this time.

For a start Jim Colt could be the the guru, I have read a few of his articles, but it was mainly regarding Hypertherm.

Yes 0.004v of a divided volt is good, but I am get better than that.

This reaction of the THC is really measured by the reaction of the Up / Down comparator signal compared to the speed of the Z axis if it is working within Masso as compared to the feed rate.

The acceleration comes back to the settings configured in F1 screen.

Whether using G0 Z / G1 Z or M667 F130, doesn't the acceleration remain the same.

In the commands used, there is a delay for a reason.

You may have to work out what you would actually need and then put it to Masso.

My life for 20 years has been spent finding a design or something like THC that I could put together that works for both Plasma and Tig welding.

I have it now.

Most things that have been written regarding anti-dive, slow down in corners has not been needed in my 20 years of Plasma operation..

Most of the cutting speed recommendations put out by the manufactures are not actually correct.

You have to find what works for yourself, that includes everything.

I know my THC works with Plasma and now with 3D Tig welding.

You a so right, Masso is just not interested.

Cheers.

 

[segoman-designs]

Quote from Tpos on July 27, 2020, 8:00 am

Hi LiLow that's fantastic we have a lot in common would like to catch up and share some ideas are you in victoria cheers Trev​

I foresee a run on TED's at the local watering hole in the near future..

 

[lilow]

SegoMan Designs.

The new CNC will run a Prof 163 ACC Cebora unit.

Not Hypertherm.

May have to get a High Definition to prove a point at a later stage.

So just some old style technology.

Teds run riot around here.

Cheers.

 

[lilow]

jcoldon.

I just went into the post you mentioned.

Many of these persons are having trouble.

Much of the same situations encountered with getting a THC to work with Masso.

So many areas that some fiddle around with.

Masso actually does work with THC.

If Masso would come on board there would be a simple plug and play operation.

It would solve a hell of a lot of headaches for everyone.

While my bum points to the ground, they will not contact me.

All this here could be a benefit for the Masso brand.

Cheers.

 

[lilow]

jcoldon.

Is this your FB page ?

Jeff Coldon​

Have you got it working. What uccnc controller are you using . This makes no sense to what happens hear. If you do a dry run. Make a test file no THC codes .. turn off the torch power. And run the posted file try that . It has to work. The files you sent me work fine . except way to many thc on and off on every turn . And you switch offset settings for torch slide different on mine .

Cnc plasma table builders / F/B page.
Just asking.

Cheers.