With Onefinity moving away from Masso what does that mean for Masso?

Dianabol

Member
Anyone else feel like this doesn't bode well? I personally still have gripes about the essential vs core vs advanced locking basic features into advanced and pretending we're dumb that it isn't a cashgrab to push you up to the overkill tier.

But that's got to be over a thousand units a year easily.

edit: I see they still have the masso based unit but it is 1500USD more and doesnt have ballscrew covers, worse frame and it's clearly intended to phase out as the Masso isn't even offered for the gen 2.
 

zombieengineer

ZombieEngineer
The shift by Onefinity from MASSO to Redline should have been something that the MASSO team should have seen coming. There are certain logical advantages for Onefinity dealing with a supplier who is in the same region. Taking a detailed look at the Redline controller I find the functionality somewhat limited compared to the MASSO controller (14 g-codes excluding work co-ordinate system g-codes vs MASSO's 40 something g-code support). The current published specifications for the Redline controller is just slightly more than the minimum requirements for a CNC router (the additional work co-ordinates are not essential if you are using a CAM package).

Perhaps this will spur MASSO to innovate, two possible paths are: "a race to the bottom of the barrel" on price for a minimum feature set, or provide an obviously better value for money solution. The "best price for a minimum feature set" is likely to be some GRBL clone coming from an Asian supplier (there are people on this forum who purchased their MASSO controller after using GRBL). Actually GRBL has better g code support than Redline :rolleyes:
 

tmtoronto

TMToronto
I bought my Onefinity Woodworker close to 5 years ago now, and chose Masso G3 as the controller.
They both offered me what I needed - a solid entry level CNC with respectable frame and linear motion hardware, and a non-PC controller that had all the advanced functionality that I needed (G and M codes, IOs, ATC logic, etc...) for my planned ATC build (want to stress again that I could not have done it without the support on this forum - @zombieengineer, @breezy, @cncnutz, and many others - thank you all).

I have been following the Redline launch and development and they really are working hard, and fast, to add new functionality and respond to users that are finding 'bugs' or that have feature requests. For someone like me that has a built a system requiring greater functionality of IOs and tool change logic, the Masso is still required. For me it was the right choice at the time and I still have no regrets. Having said that, I very much look forward to seeing what the Redline, Onefinity, and Realtime CNC partnership has in store for us - it is still early days for them.
 

Dianabol

Member
Yeah I just think Masso should restructure their tiers to be less predatory and actually mean what they say like core being 4th and 5th axis but advanced being coolant and jump to line and dry run, some seriously basic features (the other features are actually advanced so why not sell it for people that actually need those instead of being scumbags)... Also the stupid ass popup menu that requires closing saying BUY PROFESSIONAL for accidentally hitting the lua macro keys that take up 2/3rd of the screen when I'm looking away not using my mpg.

Goodwill and genuine actions buy more customers than scummy tactics making you an extra 200$ a unit which builds less trust amongst communities.
 

lilow

Lilow
If Masso tiers are not constructed as you would like, you just got to work around them.
Just looked at Redline, myself wouldn't give it a thought.
DeskCNC back years ago had more features.
Could not find a costing of it.
Looks like affinity and beyond.
Cheers.
 

Dianabol

Member
If Masso tiers are not constructed as you would like, you just got to work around them.
Just looked at Redline, myself wouldn't give it a thought.
DeskCNC back years ago had more features.
Could not find a costing of it.
Looks like affinity and beyond.
Cheers.
Oh I agree we always work around them I'm just saying from a business standpoint minor ill will shows alot more than minor courtesy. The big thing for them is not even offering it noones going out of their way to buy a masso at that point and the competition is stiff they just have a nicer interface.
 

zombieengineer

ZombieEngineer
I had a careful look at the manuals for the Redline CNC and it appears to consist of two components:
  • Touch panel module which is linked to the motion control box by USB, and DC power harness (mains to DC power supply is in the Touch panel module)
  • Motion control box which handles all the wiring to axis motors, limit switches, VFD, etc
I am struggling to see how the E-Stop switch on the touch panel is linked to the motion control box. The DC power cable is via a 6 position Molex connector which may also carry the E-Stop signal. There does not appear to be any external access to the E-Stop signal from the motion control box, however there are two non-committed pins on the IO DB-25 connector which could be related to E-Stop. This is an area where Redline needs to address ASAP (may just be a documentation omission, however my engineering brain is looking at "what could possibly go wrong" and seeing red flags). If an additional E-Stop switch is desired (for example a machine guard around the spindle cutter), how would this be wired in?

I prefer to have my E-Stop wiring to be "hard-wired" and not dependent on a micro-controller to transfer the safety state to the final machining and control elements (I was struggling to find appropriate words, an active E-stop signal should "isolate all sources of power to the machine" [axis motors, spindle, compressed air if applicable, etc] - those words are effectively from the machine safety standards / legal code).

The wiring to the motion control box is via Molex Mini-Fit Jr connectors, this is more suitable for OEM systems than machine conversions or custom builds where screw terminals are more suitable. For a predesigned system the cables / wiring harnesses could be cost effectively outsourced. For custom / one-off wiring installations you are going to find more people who can use a screw driver compared to people who can use a crimp tool. For an OEM such as Onefinity, the Molex solution is probably better.

The official Redline documentation does not provide any details for the axis motor connections, there appears to be 4 signals pairs using differential wiring (Step, Direction, Enable to axis motor, Fault signal return). If I had access to the motion control box I could probably figure the pin-out in about 5 minutes. The limit switch connector is not documented but the 3 pin connector has 0V, +5V and Input; a quick check with a multimeter should be able to identify the pins (the 0V and +5V pins should have low resistance between equivalent pins on other axis [test resistance with power removed], the remaining pin must be the input).
 
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Dianabol

Member
Yea this is about the extent of masso... getting spammed by whatsapp bots haha.
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breezy

Moderator
Yea this is about the extent of masso... getting spammed by whatsapp bots haha.
Unfortunately I have lost home internet connection 😕 (cut street cable, 52 subs off the air) so don't have full access to moderator features to take care of it.
 

breezy

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Unfortunately I have lost home internet connection 😕 (cut street cable, 52 subs off the air) so don't have full access to moderator features to take care of it.
NBN finally fixed the cable at 4am, off the air for 40 hours. Two houses up from us they are installing a sewer connection for infill housing (new house in backyard) and contractor exposed a "multicoloured tree root". :mad:

@Dianabol Where did you see the Whatsapp message because clicking on the link icon results in an forum error message.
Yea this is about the extent of masso... getting spammed by whatsapp bots haha.
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